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With his typical lack of taste or class, Dinesh D'Souza asks where are the atheists when bad things happen and follows it up with Dawkins' Message to Mourners: Get Over It.
We might ask what message "people of God" bring to the discussion during tragedy. Noted evangelist and man of God, Franklin Graham started off well, stating, "First of all, we know that God loves us and God cares for us." Graham went downhill from there, and three seconds later he was denigrating any non-christian victims, saying, "[God] has provided a way for us to be with him in heaven and that?s through his son Jesus Christ."
That's right. If you get killed by a gunman and you haven't accepted Christ in your life you're not with god in heaven, you're in Hell. That's the message a sleazy and slick opportunist--excuse me, man of god-- like Graham brings to the table at a time of grief and solemnity. Graham couldn't get through a five minute TV appearance without resorting to his routine, exclusionary gospel of intolerance. He was torn between his vile comments and expressing sympathy. That's the message this person of faith brings to the table.
Graham then turns to D'Souza's main pont, and the problem of evil: How does this man of god deal with evil? By castigating people, survivors, families, and saying you will be judged.
That's the magnitude religious language brings to the table. Here's a tip Dinesh: Try passing off this religious message at a memorial, try telling people that their loved ones killed 24 hours before, that those innocents, those victims are standing in judgment before god and they might go to hell. You do that Dinesh and watch the projectile vomit and people fleeing from the place.
Somehow I think atheists could do better than victimizing people again. Somehow, I get the feeling that atheists wouldn't tell families that their loved ones are in hell because they didn't accept Christ. Dinesh asserts that religions have an easier time explaining why evil things happen than atheist do but he doesn't explain why. But at bottom, atheism has an easier time reconciling good and evil because it doesn't have to reconcile an all powerful, good and benevolent entity that somehow allows evil things to happen. Religious people contort themselves trying to explain it. Graham says Satan did it, but God sat back and let people get murdered.
Hey, Dinesh, Pal, you go tell people that God let people get killed so that the people will learn that they need to love god. That's your answer, and you declare it a good thing. Dinesh, you're not Martha Stewart and murder is not a decorated box of cookies. You're so desperate for answers, you grasp at whatever demented idea pops in your head, regardless of what it really says about the essence of God. You say atheism gives "indifference" but is the indifference of a universe without god and satan worse than your conception of a callous and desperate God that lets people die for his own validation? That's blunt, but you put the question out there, and its your own proposed conception of god.
Even Graham is more honest and more moral than what you allow. He admits he doesn't have all the answers. And the answer certainly isn't "These things happen so Dinesh D'Souza can attack atheists and Franklin Graham can attack people with other religious beliefs." Some members of the military tried that to denigrate Pat Tillman's family and their quest for the truth, and it was as depraved as you're doing here, Dinesh.
Is that a good enough summation of an atheist's perspective on evil?
We might ask what message "people of God" bring to the discussion during tragedy. Noted evangelist and man of God, Franklin Graham started off well, stating, "First of all, we know that God loves us and God cares for us." Graham went downhill from there, and three seconds later he was denigrating any non-christian victims, saying, "[God] has provided a way for us to be with him in heaven and that?s through his son Jesus Christ."
That's right. If you get killed by a gunman and you haven't accepted Christ in your life you're not with god in heaven, you're in Hell. That's the message a sleazy and slick opportunist--excuse me, man of god-- like Graham brings to the table at a time of grief and solemnity. Graham couldn't get through a five minute TV appearance without resorting to his routine, exclusionary gospel of intolerance. He was torn between his vile comments and expressing sympathy. That's the message this person of faith brings to the table.
Graham then turns to D'Souza's main pont, and the problem of evil:
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Well, I don?t blame God for it, Joe. This is what we have to understand. There is?there is evil in this world. There is a devil who?s called the god of this age, who wants to seek and destroy your life and my life and every life. And when a tragedy like this comes, I think it?s time for us to remember how short life is, and we need to be prepared to stand before a holy God.
That's the magnitude religious language brings to the table. Here's a tip Dinesh: Try passing off this religious message at a memorial, try telling people that their loved ones killed 24 hours before, that those innocents, those victims are standing in judgment before god and they might go to hell. You do that Dinesh and watch the projectile vomit and people fleeing from the place.
Somehow I think atheists could do better than victimizing people again. Somehow, I get the feeling that atheists wouldn't tell families that their loved ones are in hell because they didn't accept Christ. Dinesh asserts that religions have an easier time explaining why evil things happen than atheist do but he doesn't explain why. But at bottom, atheism has an easier time reconciling good and evil because it doesn't have to reconcile an all powerful, good and benevolent entity that somehow allows evil things to happen. Religious people contort themselves trying to explain it. Graham says Satan did it, but God sat back and let people get murdered.
Hey, Dinesh, Pal, you go tell people that God let people get killed so that the people will learn that they need to love god. That's your answer, and you declare it a good thing. Dinesh, you're not Martha Stewart and murder is not a decorated box of cookies. You're so desperate for answers, you grasp at whatever demented idea pops in your head, regardless of what it really says about the essence of God. You say atheism gives "indifference" but is the indifference of a universe without god and satan worse than your conception of a callous and desperate God that lets people die for his own validation? That's blunt, but you put the question out there, and its your own proposed conception of god.
Even Graham is more honest and more moral than what you allow. He admits he doesn't have all the answers. And the answer certainly isn't "These things happen so Dinesh D'Souza can attack atheists and Franklin Graham can attack people with other religious beliefs." Some members of the military tried that to denigrate Pat Tillman's family and their quest for the truth, and it was as depraved as you're doing here, Dinesh.
Is that a good enough summation of an atheist's perspective on evil?
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